Talk:Dún Laoghaire

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to navigation Jump to search

English spelling?[edit]

Is there any depth of feeling for recognising an English spelling of the town's name, for instance "Dunleary"?

It seems unlikely that Dún Laoghaire would be the busiest port in all of Ireland. I would suspect that either Dublin port or Larne would be busier. Is there any way to verify?

Cpm

Irish Central Statistics Office figures for 2002 in the Republic show that at just under 20 million tons of shipping movements it's a long way behind Dublin (119 mio. tons) and Rosslare (48 mio. tons). Counting number of ship arrivals, at 987 it comes 4th behind Dublin (7,586), Rosslare (2,146), and Cork (2,060). -- Arwel 22:57, 31 Dec 2003 (UTC)
All true, but DL specialises in ferry traffic from the UK, without the ability to handle freight (apart from lorries). Where is it rated in that traffic - Dublin Port has moved up, but has it stolen traffic from DL or added to it? Also, I recollect that there's a busy freight port in the Warrenpoint/ Greenore area, but the articles don't really confirm this - any info? Folks at 137 22:37, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
The statement that “the older anglicisation of which, Dunleary, is also sometimes found” seems to warrant some investigation. Firstly, in what sense is the Anglicisation “older”? Did it not derive from the Irish Gaelic name? I’m a bit confused what is meant. I’d also question the need for “sometimes”, as, using a Google search as a rough guide, the Gaelic name produced “About 1,520,000 results”, Dun Leary “About 1,220,000 results” and Dunleary a further 596,000; given that there is hardly a significant difference between the most common spellings, and on average you might find an Aglicisation more readily than the Gaelic (although I see that there is probably some overlap), would it not be better put as “often” rather than “sometimes”? Jock123 (talk) 14:52, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

anglicized pronunciation?[edit]

I don't regard /dʌn ˈlɪəri/ as an anglicized pronunciation of Dún Laoghaire. I regard it as a pronunciation of "Dunleary". Just as many people call Rath Luirc "Charleville", the English name persists. The fact that Dunleary obviously derives from Dún Laoghaire is irrelevant. Eighteenth-century Hiberno-English speakers would have pronounced "Dunleary" domething like the Irish /duːn leːrɪ/, but it's the English version whose pronunciation has evolved. I know there is a limerick:

There once was a man from Dún Laoghaire
Who pronounced an interesting theoghaire
that the language of Erse
Has a shortage of verse
as the spelling makes poets so weoghaire

but I think this dates from the 1920s when Irish placenames (and limericks) were new and interesting. jnestorius(talk) 14:02, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Picture Layout[edit]

SeptemberLondon 2003w 414.jpg

Allie, I know that Doctors differ and patients die etc - but I don't think grouping the photos at the bottom improves matters. One or two up above might break up the solid block of text we now have. Also, the Infobox seems to be a bit truncated.

And as you can see from the photo here on the right, is not the least bit distracting! But if it was any smaller you couldn't read it... (In the case of the Dún Laoghaire article I have no vested interest as none of the pics are mine!).

The street scene photo and one of the Harbour shots would look great placed in the main bulk of the article.

(Sarah777 22:07, 16 February 2007 (UTC))

  • Hi Sarah. Maybe try moving one or two of the pics back up, so. The initial problem was they were in a groupbox which caused them to stream down the left side of the page in one 'lump'. I'll have a go at it again, and maybe take a look at the infobox ... - Alison 22:37, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Done! How does it look now? - Alison 22:58, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Better! I've tried to match the sizes (infobox and pic) and bring the top of the infobox to the top (usual position)- I think we're getting there!! (Sarah777 23:25, 16 February 2007 (UTC))

  • Actually, that's nice what you did right there; {{tocright}} works well and the new transport heading breaks things up nicely. I agree, though, it could use a bit more restructuring. Looks lots better - Alison 23:53, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Can we do something about that nasty (no offence) panorama of the promenade? It's not a great photo and it's taking up way too much of the page. - Paul —Preceding undated comment added 00:52, 15 July 2009 (UTC).
Not sure why photo of promenade is 'nasty'; will leave its inclusion or exclusion up to others. The Wiki-TOC often creates graphically unsound 'trapped' whitespace; however, in articles with an infobox and multiple images, using a right TOC will often create graphic logjams, as will dictating a TOC-left with a runaround rather than the whitespace. What I've done is place the photos in the same section as the subject matter to which they refer. This seems pretty fundamental. If there are too many in one section, that may mean that the section is over-illustrated relative to the rest of the article. Cynwolfe (talk) 23:31, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Evocative Prose[edit]

I felt it necessary to remove the following passage, but as it reduced me to tears I think it should be reproduced here:


Info box[edit]

Any reason why the info box was partially removed? Wiki01916 01:35, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

No idea. If no reason was given in the edit summary you can simply restore it as the removal is suspected vandalism. (Sarah777 04:10, 26 September 2007 (UTC))
OK, I've restored it. LOL! at the culprit
Wiki01916 06:43, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
Oh sheet! as my Granny would say - I am prepared to dismiss the vandalism theory!!(Sarah777 10:22, 30 September 2007 (UTC))
And I notice the box was chopped in April and in a town of 250,000 potential Wikipedians only spotted by you. I guess the demographic must be technology averse. Figures. Sarah777 10:25, 30 September 2007 (UTC)


Trivia[edit]

Good bit of tidying, I will save parts of "trivia" here for the record, and in case anyone wants to use some as bases for better material...:

  • There is an anchor, recovered from the wreck of the mailboat RMS Leinster which was torpedoed over the Kish Bank in 1918, located adjacent to the Carlile Pier, overlooked by the National Maritime Museum of Ireland. Another memento exists in the Lion House of Dublin Zoo- a bench which had been located on the deck and floated away when the ship sank with huge loss of life.
  • Dún Laoghaire is the setting (with Dublin) of the novel 'Strumpet City' by Irish Author James Plunkett
  • Dún Laoghaire is mentioned in the 2007 film, "P.S. I Love You" where Holly meets Gerry Kennedy at Wicklow Mountains National Park and reveals that she's putting up at a B&B here, referring to it as Dun-Lao-ge-hairy and he corrects her that it is Dun-Leary.

SeoR (talk) 18:51, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunate timing to remove the entry about the RMS Leinster A postage stamp commemorating the event will be issued in two weeks time. So I'm adding it back as history ClemMcGann (talk) 23:07, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
Great! I think the editor removing the Trivia section had their reasons, as it was very long, but most of its elements have now been rehoused appropriately in the article, which is the best answer. And the right-up-to-date points re. Library and Senior College are good to know. SeoR (talk) 05:41, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Policing and criminal activity[edit]

A new section "Policing and criminal activity" has been added. I doubt its value. It just refers to the Harbour police, who are limited to the harbour area. and there is nothing about criminal activity. ClemMcGann (talk) 23:49, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

True - a sentence on the Harbour police might belong in Boating, Marina or even Ferry, but it doesn't need it's own section with a misleading header. Autarch (talk) 12:43, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
OK, I'm deleting it. There could be a place for the Harbour Police. Perhaps we need a separate article on the harbour. Instances such as the medal award to the Harbour policeman for a rescue could find a place. ClemMcGann (talk) 15:11, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Tag[edit]

Should that improvement tag remain at the head of the article, or has it been improved enough by now? Hohenloh + 14:05, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Looked at the article and i don't really see the need for it there myself. Perhaps the introduction is too short, or possibly the article is in need of more citations? though it doesn't contain requirements for any.Andymcgrath (talk) 19:20, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

File:The harbour in Kingstown, Co. Dublin, Ireland, in about 1895 - Option 2.jpg to appear as POTD soon[edit]

Hello! This is a note to let the editors of this article know that File:The harbour in Kingstown, Co. Dublin, Ireland, in about 1895 - Option 2.jpg will be appearing as picture of the day on December 8, 2010. You can view and edit the POTD blurb at Template:POTD/2010-12-08. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page so Wikipedia doesn't look bad. :) Thanks! howcheng {chat} 22:53, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Dún Laoghaire in the 1890s
An 1890s photochrom print of Dún Laoghaire (then known as Kingstown), a suburban seaside town and county town of Dún Laoghaire–Rathdown County, in Ireland. A major port of entry from Great Britain, the town is situated about 12 km (7.5 mi) south of Dublin city centre. The town's name derives from a fort ("Dún" in Irish) built by Laoghaire, a 5th century High King of Ireland.Image: Detroit Publishing Co.; Restoration: A. Cuerden


photo[edit]

hi there,

after looking at google maps I came to the conclusion that the photo shows mainly the coastline of Glasthule. I took a lot of photos between James Joyce Tower and Dún Laoghaire harbour with a higher quality than the one used here and I'll upload more of them to Wikimedia commons... but I'd be really happy about opinions (better: reliable sources) about where the "boarders" between Sandycove, Glasthule and Dún Laoghaire are because I'd like to be able to categorize and use these photos correctly.

I'm not sure if this is the best place to discuss that topic (better suggestions are welcome) as this photo is used in many other articles as well, but I'm afraid that none of the authors of these articles would read a discussion page on commons...

--YvonneM (talk) 17:09, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

Just got your comment on my talk page there. Tbh the difference between Glasthule and Dun Laoghaire is a lot like the different between Dartry and Rathmines - it's not that significant. I've no major issue with the picture but maybe a better one would be of George's Street or something taken from the East Pier.
Exiledone (talk) 21:19, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
Is a new photo still required? Could pop out there tomorrow, weather permitting. Not too familiar with the area. Are we still looking for pics from East Pier and George's St. ? RashersTierney (talk) 01:35, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
Up to you. If you happen to be taking a stroll along the East Pier with a camera go right ahead.
Exiledone (talk) 13:05, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
I would debate that new photos are required all the time. There can always be a need and possibly a replacement of one. I may even be there myself. It can be nice to get a good shot of the pier with people on it, East and West piers. East being more popular. DubhEire (talk) 13:42, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Spelling[edit]

I've come across spellings of "Dun Laoighre" as well. Not mentioned in the article, but it gets a fair few hits on Google. Is this another alternative spelling, and should it be mentioned in the article? --HighKing (talk) 16:10, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Seems to be an alternative. I can find instances on Google Books, so I'll put it in the article. --HighKing (talk) 11:03, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

External links modified[edit]

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified one external link on Dún Laoghaire. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true or failed to let others know (documentation at {{Sourcecheck}}).

As of February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{sourcecheck}} (last update: 15 July 2018).

  • If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
  • If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 09:18, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

External links modified[edit]

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 3 external links on Dún Laoghaire. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

As of February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{sourcecheck}} (last update: 15 July 2018).

  • If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
  • If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 04:54, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

External links modified[edit]

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 4 external links on Dún Laoghaire. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

As of February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{sourcecheck}} (last update: 15 July 2018).

  • If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
  • If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 10:21, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

Dún Laoghaire "suburbs" covers a population of 190,000 people(?)[edit]

As per a related note, the population of Dún Laoghaire, even if we include ALL the surrounding Electoral Districts (like Sallynoggin and Sandycode) is maximum 26,525 people. However, without any qualification of explanation in the title of the table, its footnotes, or elsewhere,we have added (albeit with {{cn}} tags) a table which appears to suggest that the town of Dún Laoghaire has a population of nearly 190,000 people. I do not see how we can justify this. If the numbers in the table (up to the early 20th century or whatever) are supportable, then those "rows" should perhaps stand. But the (bluntly) fanciful numbers after that should be removed. Or, at the very least, the title of the table updated to reflect the region that it purports to cover. (Which, quite obviously, is not the town. And is some unspecified, unqualified and uncited area - which is clearly significantly broader in scope than the apparent scope/subject of this article). Guliolopez (talk) 00:11, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Mabuska. Thanks for doing the investigation/clarification on the pre-1991 numbers. Nice work. We could probably update the title or footnotes to make it clearer that these numbers relate to the historic borough of Dún Laoghaire though. Rather than the town. Do you think the numbers post-1991 are somebody's attempt to include the EDs that made up the historic borough? If so, do you know what they are? Guliolopez (talk) 00:15, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
Thanks. Having used Histpop before I knew the older contemporary name would be what was used. I don't exactly know about the later figures as CSO only went up to 1991, and Histpop only goes up to Irish independence, and I haven't checked for the others. The Histpop pre-1926 ones do state town and the CSO Dun Laoghaire results are for "Cities and towns", though Dun Laoghaire is listed as also being a borough. That is the only figures you will find for Dun Laoghaire unless add in the suburb figures, which the earlier ones don't and later ones don't seem to make mention of them. Mabuska (talk) 00:23, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
I did add CN tags to the last three census years, and no doubt these figures include a greater suburban area of some sort the previous census' did not. Mabuska (talk) 00:24, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
Thanks again Mabuska. I went through the census numbers for all EDs, Small Areas and related divisions around Dún Laoghaire. And I cannot figure out how the 1996, 2002 and 2006 numbers were arrived-at. And, frankly, even if I could do so, the result would have been so much OR and SYNTH as to make me very uncomfortable. Based on this, and balanced against the fact that the numbers beg more questions for the reader than answers ("how come the population more than triples between 1991 and 1996"? "what do these even represent given that the borough was disbanded in 1994?" etc), I have removed them. If someone else can somehow explain them (with a reference and a note for the reader), then happy to assist with readding. But, otherwise, I don't see the value. Guliolopez (talk) 20:40, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

DL is no longer a Ferry Port[edit]

Need to reflect this in the article - it likely will never again be. Removed ferry photos which should be, if anywhere, in the "history" section. Sarah777 (talk) 23:10, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

Dún Laoghaire Harbour article proposal[edit]

Please be aware I have raised a requested move proposal at Talk:Carlisle Pier#Requested move 26 July 2019 to form a Dún Laoghaire Harbour article which when developed would become primary article topic for that topic which may affect this article in the long term.Djm-leighpark (talk) 20:36, 26 July 2019 (UTC)